Template talk:Did you know/Archive 1

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Full Moon

"...that a Full Moon occurs every 29.5 days starting Midday, October 12, 2011, but NASA times the average length of a synodic month as 44 minutes and 3 seconds longer?"

Can someone tell me what this has to do with TF2 and why it's on the wiki homepage?

--ArguedOyster 14 April 2016

TF2 Halloween mode and cosmetics are active upon a Full moon. Hence the counter is there and present on the wiki. Ashes (talk) 19:15, 14 April 2016 (PDT)

Also, it's worded incorrectly. The way it's worded currently makes it appear that NASA's time of the full moon is wrong. To elaborate, the full moon doesn't occur exactly every 29.5 days, it occurs, on average, every 29.5 days, 44 minutes, and 3 seconds. NASA's average time is 44 minutes and 3 seconds longer than an estimation of when the full moon occurs.--ArguedOyster 14 April 2016

Hard to say, someone was making modifications to it. Ashes (talk) 20:26, 14 April 2016 (PDT)

Sandvich projectile

Does a sandvich thrown count as a projectile? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Coconut (talk) • (contribs) 2010-07-01T13:46:05

No, I believe not. -- Smashman... _{(t • s)} 17:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Wrong trivia?

"*...that every class but the Demoman, Soldier and Medic got new Medic call lines following the Engineer update?" Is it just me, or does this seem wrong? My guess is that those voice actors aren't available yet, so they just implemented most of them for the time being.

The Heavy got the lines and he shares the same voice actor as the Demoman. The Medic's voice actor won't be available for a while(or forever.

But.. but.. what about Meet The Medic? :'( Netshroud 00:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Don't know about the Soldier Sam-1-14 23:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

 Wrong. All of the lines used by the classes were unused until then, and just made it into the game in the Engineer Update.

Showdown

Doesn't the Showdown taunt kill with a long bullet rather than a wide one? Hostile Companion Cube ^Roar 23:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Engineer unlocks

"...that the Engineer is the only class to receive unlockable weapons before his update?"

What weapon is this referring to? Lugermorph wasn't usable by Engineer until the Engineer Update... and that's a moot point anyway, as it wasn't an unlock.

--Powerlord 23:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

The Lugermorph was available to the Engineer on July 1, 2010. Unlockable weapon refers to any of the weapons that aren't one of the basic weapons. --Firestorm 23:08, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Theoretically, the Golden Wrench was available before the Engineer Update. Not that there's much people who have it anyway. -- Vi3trice _(talk) 23:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Replying to both of the above, the Wiki's own weapon template divides weapons into Standard, Unlock, Drop, Special, and Promotion. Even if we count Drops as unlocks, we still don't count the Lugermorph or Golden Wrench in either group. --Powerlord 23:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Even better, to quote you Firestorm: "Unlock = Can be unlocked through achievements, dropped or crafted. " -- Powerlord 23:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps this should be reworded as "...that the Engineer is the only class to receive alternative weapons before his update?" — Wind 00:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

A reword would work. We must understand the difference between "Unlockable Weapon" and "Unlock". Unfortunately, no word has been given that could reasonably describe the alternate items. --Firestorm 00:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The Golden Wrench seems a little too close to the Engineer Update, as it was technically also "released" for the same update. I don't know. -Rocket Ship BBQ 19:58, 8 September 2011 (PDT)

Previous Did-you-knows

"...that the Snipers's Halloween Mask features a "suprised" face with 3 eyes? So far, no one has manged to figure out why." Thats a lie! I figured it out- he's putting a third eye in the middle of their forehead ie. Boom, Headshot. Just like the goose on the pyros is because (s)he "cooks your goose" Cryoshell 06:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Facts need to be tested and proof-read before posted

Many of the facts in the Add Facts section are either re-posts, improperly spelled, already listed, possibly fake, or any combination of the previously mentioned. I suggest that facts must be posted in the discussion section so people can proof-read and test them out before deciding whether they should be added to the list or not. Here's an example of one that I removed because it didn't seem like it was true: "*...that you can look directly through the Rocket Launcher model's barrel even when it is loaded, yet you cannot do the same with the Direct Hit model?" It not only seems fake, but also worded incorrectly. Post your thoughts here. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lordgeorge16 (talk) • (contribs) 2010-09-28T15:31:50

I'd like to second this, seeing what is currently up there... "that in the beta version of the game, 2fort had no bridge" which should be no ROOF on the bridge, seeing as the map really wouldn't work without a bridge anyway. A Boojum Snark 02:50, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Grammar Check

The current trivia says Beta 2Fort didn't have a "roof on bridge". Seems grammatically incorrect. Danton 14:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Huntsman?

One of the facts says "that the Sniper originally fired his Huntsman in a right-handed manner".

Shouldn't it be "left-handed manner", as the bow used to be held in a left-handed fashion prior to a patch? Magic Magician 09:23, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The Spanish Version

Why in the spanish version of Did You Know in the Current Display Facts (Hechos Mostrados Actualmente) the facts appears in english when all of the page are translated? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryo (talk) • (contribs) 01:52, 21 November 2010

Wait, what?

I just found a fact that reads: "...that the Red Spy is apparently the Blu Scout's father?"

Sounds like conjecture to me. Unless this fact can be confirmed, I'd probably suggest removing it. Magic Magician 10:26, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a fail, it will be "...that the Red Spy is apparently the Blu Scout's mother?" --Ryo 14:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Did some digging, couldn't find any justification for the fact. I've removed it - if anyone can prove otherwise, please post it here and undo the edit. Magic Magician 03:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Loch n' Load

I don't think that all stock items can be replaced in loadouts. Does anyone playing the Engineer or the Spy here? How about the Engineer's P.D.As or the Spy's Disguise Case and the Electro Sapper! They have no replacement yet! I think that not all stock items can be replaced. Mardamien24 09:46, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Ha.....Wait What?

I was just reading the "Did you know..." stuff and some of them (like it entirely i guess?) arent updated, wrong, or just what?

like these...

...that the Medic was the only class not to receive a taunt attack in his own update?

...that the Pyro was the only class to receive a class update without receiving a new taunt?

and this?

...the Direct Hit is the only weapon to have a brand name imprinted on it (the words MANN CO. appear on the scope)?

The Scott. Res. has MANN CO. on the drum barrel right?

and these have been fixed/patched/removed?

.... if a Soldier has the Rocket Jumper and Equalizer equipped he can perform the Kamikaze taunt without damaging himself? This is also a way of Concussion Jumping.

...that the new kill symbols of the Polycount weapons are a different shade to previous kill icons?

...that the Scotsman's Skullcutter, the Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker and the Eyelander are the only weapons that can decapitate?

...that a Spy can remove his own Sapper using the console command "destroy 4"?

And these...

...that you can survive the Heavy's taunt kill if you are wearing The Fists of Steel? <- should include that all of them BUT Decapitation, organ grinder (I got the wrong i think...)

...that the Demoman will wield his Scotsman's Skullcutter, Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker and Claidheamh Mòr with two hands in 1st person view, but single handed in world view? <--- This is a graphical glitch (i think...) in the loadout screen. Gamecrazy009 21:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Well first, thank you for not editing those out to begin with and starting a discussion instead. Second, a good lot of those Did you knows are actually true.

The Medic was the first class to be updated, and when he was, he did not recieve a taunt kill. Every class after that (Pyro, Heavy, Scout, Sniper/Spy, Soilder/Demoman, and Engiee) all recieved taunt kills in their updates.

The Pyro, while he did receive a taunt kill, used an animations that already exsisted in the game. He plays his guitar with all his melee weapons, he shoots a fire ball with his secondary, and lifts his flamethower over his head with his primary. All of these use the same animations he originally came with, and so he has not recieved any new taunt animations to date.

The Scottish Resistance I've checked out and can confirm it does not have Mann CO. written on the drum barrel. There may appear ot be writting due to texturing but there it actually nothing.

As for the Demoman weilding his melees with 2 hands world view verses 1 hand in first person view I can also confirm as true because I tested that one out myself :D.

The rest of them will need to be tested though. Thanks for that -- No-oneSpecial (talk | contribs) 07:24, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

alright then lol Gamecrazy009 14:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Rotation

Shouldn't we be rotating these facts? Just curious; we've been on the current lineup for a while now, I know that much. Gerk 04:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Gaelic

"...that the Demoman is the only class who never speaks his native language of Highland Gaelic?"

1. "Highland Gaelic" isn't a language, it's just called Gaelic.

2. It's not the Demoman's native language - Gaelic is hardly taught anywhere any more and it is nobody's first language.

3. How do we know the Pyro doesn't speak his/her/its native language? --Cooper Kid (Blether · Contreebs) 23:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Assist Self as Spy

For all I know, that doesn't work anymore. Shooting a building that you sapped just gives you a gun kill without an assist. Rocket Ship BBQ 22:13, 19 July 2011 (PDT)

Fire-based damage

'...the Sniper is the only class besides the Pyro able to deal fire-based damage?' Not sure if this is true any more, since the alt-fire of the Cow Mangler 5000 can deal afterburn (though I'm not sure if that counts as fire-based damage, it should though...) Jumpluff 01:38, 26 July 2011 (PDT)

not true due to the new minigun for the heavy, the huo long heater or something — The preceding unsigned comment was added by EagleEye (talk) • (contribs) 01:35, 11 August 2012

Did You Know guidelines versus Trivia Guidelines

I noticed today that on the "did you know" section, we have a lot of "facts" that are basically just x of y trivia bullet points. Such points like "Medic and Heavy are the only two classes without default headgear" would be removed in an instant on the specific class pages, but are fine for did you know? It just seems confusing that, on one hand, we state the fact is interesting (as a did you know), and yet, on another (as trivia) it's not interesting and greatly discouraged. I think the Did you Know guidelines should more closely follow the trivia guidelines, if not outright BE the trivia guidelines. Further, it would save a step of having to go through and monitor the list, as new "Did You Know" points could just be copied directly from interesting trivia pieces. Balladofwindfishes 08:53, 30 August 2011 (PDT)

It's my opinion that there are not only a great deal of substandard or 'lacking' factoids that are added just because, but also if you simply compare the suggestions to one another, let alone the currently displayed facts, which are either helpful or intriguing to the majority, you'll notice that a great number are not so much of either. Perhaps some examples of factoids could be made in the final bullet point of Help:Did_you_know? --Xenaero 09:11, 30 August 2011 (PDT)

I agree that some of them are really poor; "Medic and Heavy are the only two classes without default headgear" stands out.MEDUNN 07:10, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

Seems like a bit of an obvious fact anyway; that's like saying "Demoman is the only class with an eyepatch". » Cooper Kid (blether) • (contreebs) 08:45, 26 September 2011 (PDT)

Ambassador piercing ability?

Apparently the Ambassador previously could penetrate targets? No where in the patch notes does it say it was removed... -Rocket Ship BBQ 19:51, 4 October 2011 (PDT)

First unusual hat

Nowadays unusuals are quite usual items on game servers. There are thousands of them around the TF2. Maybe anyone knows the guy who unboxed first unusual in the world and what was the hat? It would be interesting, I think. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Plummaster (talk) • (contribs) 13:06, 12 October 2011

Market Gardener

I found out a fact that I think is little known: The market gardener also crits when rocket jumping using enemy rockets. Tested this a couple times in bball and MGE and got quite a few kills with it. Someone put this into a correct sentence, please. Something like ...that the Market-Gardener also crits while jumping using enemy rockets. LeGenD`RaGe 13:41, 12 January 2012 (PST)

re: the newest addition (scout taunt kill)

just some proof that its true http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2-mKnXzw-Q — The preceding unsigned comment was added by DJLO (talk) • (contribs) 22:57, 11 February 2012

Red Spy deeper voice?

Are you sure it's not just because he's talking in a hushed tone? Anyone's voice gets higher the louder or more excitedly they talk, and the Blu Spy is definitely a bit excited. The Riet 12:16, 1 April 2012 (PDT)

Medic Violin Taunt

It's actually the correct hand, since he regularly holds his saw in his right hand, this would make him a left-handed violinist, which is also perfectly legitimate. This, therefore, is not a "fact" but rather a misconception. Instead, it would be better to point out that the Medic is ambidextrous. Zachman3334 17:05, 14 April 2012 (PDT)

Batter's Helmet

It's only worth pointing out the Wrap Assassin being held in the left hand, the Batter's Helmet is not needed here. He wears a left handed helmet because his other ear already has his earpiece. Zachman3334 15:20, 18 April 2012 (PDT)

Taunt Kills

Technically, Heavy is the only one with a ranged taunt kill, but realistically, all taunt kills can be performed from a range, so this is actually incorrect. Zachman3334 14:56, 25 April 2012 (PDT)

Doubt

"...that if a Engineer is stunned while he is selecting a place to put down his Buildings, he can still see the blueprint model in thirdperson?"

This is more of a bug than a valid "Did you know" fact.. right? Or are we supposed to be showing bugs? - MLGM 08:28, 13 May 2012 (PDT)

Bugs can be interesting too. rZ 08:30, 13 May 2012 (PDT)

Demoman Decaptiation

The sentence for one of the featured facts currently reads, "...that all the Demoman's swords' critical hit animation is a vertical swing, yet enemies are decapitated horizontally?"

The sentence should read, "...that all the Demoman's swords' critical hit animations are vertical swings, yet enemies are decapitated horizontally?"

Kabuto 13:35, 11 June 2012 (PDT)

Pistols

The fact, "...that the Shortstop shares an ammo pool with the Pistol and Lugermorph, but not with the Winger?", which is on 'Fact suggestions' now, is wrong. Winger also shares the ammo. — Dinir Nertan 13:32, 27 June 2012 (PDT)

Incorrect

...that the Eyelander, the Nessie's Nine Iron and the Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker occasionally whisper "heads"? This isn't true only the eyelander does.Amp32 13:55, 4 July 2012 (PDT)

Use HHH and Nine Iron and listen carefully, and you'll hear the truth... Hinaomi (talk) - (contributions) 13:58, 4 July 2012 (PDT)

Missed Binary Factoid

......that the number displayed when Display damage done as text over your target is enabled, the most damage that can appear is −32,767, which is one more than the lower bound of a 16 bit value?

This fact fails to come to the obvious conclusion that an upper-bound of 32,767 implies that damage is stored as a positive value first, then subtracted from the other players' health, which is itself an interesting fact. It might be worthwhile to tack that on.

Kurkistan 17:08, 8 July 2012 (PDT)Kurkistan

Questions

...that the cities on the map the Spy is looking at in the hidden room of Doomsday are the three maps of Mann vs. Machine? ...that Doe's Drill is actually named after an alias of the Soldier? ...that Medic was originally supposed to have an over-sized syringe to heal his teammates? ...that the Equalizer and the Escape Plan were split from the same weapon? ...that the medieval map, DeGroot Keep, is named after the Demoman's real name, Tavish DeGroot? ...that if Super Scouts are not watched, they can easily get to the hatch in nearly under 6 seconds? ...that Mann vs Machine was actually under making for up to at least 5 years? ...that all the classes in TF2 have actual names?

Are these okay?

~Weirdduder10

The last one is definitely false. The Pyro does not have a known name yet, and as far as I know, only the Soldier and Demo were given real names. Zachman3334 13:44, 9 December 2012 (PST)

About Wrath of Wan Hu

This fact is incorrect that Wrath of Wan Hu was scraped for the Huo Long Heater the author of the wrath himself claim it. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lefxpns (talk) • (contribs) 30 December 2012

1. It's not the same topic as Eyelander fact, please use Add topic button instead next time.

2. Don't forget to sign comment with ~~~~ before save page.

Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 04:11, 30 December 2012 (PST)

Sniper scope reflection fact

I think that the wording is needlessly unclear about what is going on behind the scenes. Instead I propose this wording:

"...that the leans on the sniper rifle uses prerendered cubemaps instead of realtime reflections?"

I will be changing it for real in a while If i hear no objections.

--Henke37 13:40, 30 December 2012 (PST)

dyk wall of shame

because there is a lot stoopid dyk additions, more than stoopid trivia, i guess we should make the dyk wall of shame. Also sorry for not using add topic pooton - i was editing on a mobile --\theguy299\talk\contribs\ 13:57, 12 January 2013 (PST)

 Nope.avi Why should we do that? That doesn't make sense. Hinaomi (talk) • (contributions) 16:05, 12 January 2013 (PST)

A suggested fact about medic's hometown

Currently there is a suggested fact that is as follows: "...that the Medic's hometown was Stuttgart before being changed to Rottenburg in Two Cities Update?"

Rottenburg is actually a real place, and is fairly close to Stuttgart. The Medic may say that Stuttgart is his hometown as people would be more familiar with it or that he wanted to avoid ridicule about being from a town with the word "rotten" in it. Chandlerj333 (talk) 19:01, 12 January 2015 (PST)

Incorrect Fact about Team Names

The fact "that RED and BLU's names come from their owner's names, Redmond Mann and Blutarch Mann" is not true. The names are actually acronyms for Reliable Excavation Demolition and Builders League United. Aurath (talk) 15:11, 29 January 2017 (PST)

Wrong Trivia

I do believe that it isn't canon that the Heavy has a PhD? Wasn't it only brought up in the non-canon Poker_Night_at_the_Inventory? Inkybinky3 (talk) 20:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

It is said in poker night, but I can't find any source saying it's non-canon.
GrampaSwood (talk) 20:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Removed piece of information

I don't think that this edit talking about the Short Circuit's ability to "rocket jump" should have been removed. Yes, it is common knowledge that weapons that deal self-damage to the user also deal knockback allowing their users to perform all kinds of jumps, but this is the point of that piece of information I have added; most people don't know that the Short Circuit's orb can cause self damage. Lolimsogreat21 (talk) 20:44, 10 June 2021 (UTC)Lolimosgreat21

It's just not really a DYK fact, because it applies to anything and not just the Short Circuit. This information is also available on the page itself. Assume that people have read the page about the weapon you're describing.
GrampaSwood (talk) 21:23, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

You can no longer survive Soldier's Grenade kill taunt using the Rocket Jumper.

"...that you can survive your Equalizer's Kamikaze taunt by equipping the Rocket Jumper, while your enemies won't?" I tested this in game yesterday and it no longer works. I am not sure if I am able to edit trivia that's already on the front page, so I'm going to just drop here that this fact is no longer true

Thebanditruby (talk) 13:22, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Idk someone just made a report on github last week about it still working https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4578 Did you set tf_allow_taunt_switch 2? Either way the text is misleading because you have to 1) switch to the RJ after taunting and 2) have tf_allow_taunt_switch 2 which isn't the case on valve servers. Jh34ghu43gu (talk) 13:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

This is an old "Did You Know" fact that has taken a while to be added to the active list. It'll be removed asap.
GrampaSwood (talk) 13:34, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

The line about "Heavy and Spy don't have their own musical instrument Taunts"

I don't see how it is valid, It could be changed in the next seaonal update. Profiteer（奸商）the tryhard (talk) 13:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Next seasonal update is at least half a year away still, I'd say it's fine because over the past 2 updates there haven't been any instrument ones. Moreover, we can modify it to only mention one of the classes rather than both if one of them gets it. Feel free to remove it if you want, but remember to move the dashes (----) appropriately.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 13:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

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