Talk:Steam Input

Merge

This article seems to be about something that's not related to TF2 but a Steam feature. I'm not sure a page is necessary on this, but maybe a merge with List of default keys would be better?
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 08:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Although I'm pretty sure there are only a minority of player use controller to play a fps game especially one without any aiming assistance. But yeah moving it to default keys is the best, since it exist and do support xbox controllers.

Also I think it have something to do with the game, since when I use PS5 controller it will display something like "We don't guarantee this game support your controller" while when I use a xbox one it won't.Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 09:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

You can use your Xbox one controller. I do apologize for rushing this article a bit, I was about to add a section about how to enable it for various controllers. Though while Steam Input is a middleware, the way that TF2 has it implemented is a bit special because it does not use keybinds by default. I was kinda aiming for this to a useful reference since I see people wanting to try to enable gyro on their controllers because of that SolarLight vid. PotatoSebs (talk) 09:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

There's also a bunch of bugs worth mentioning whenever Steam Input is enabled like some menu elements are not usable and it's possible to move the camera while the pause screen is up PotatoSebs (talk) 09:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Seems like this feature is completely unsupported in that case, if I turn my xBox One controller on it also says there is only a partial support and requires editing to even set up. I don't think an entire article is necessary for this seeing as the feature isn't supported in the first place, we should wait until it's fully supported to give it its own page, but for now either a mention on the List of default keys page is better or just no page at all. The reference for how to enable gyro is nice, but if the entire page serves just that purpose it's not enough.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 09:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

I tried PS5 controller and it have full support though mostly because the controller can control the mouse pointer, and it seems TF team (or maybe steam input team?) do made some support for it since I saw some pretty detailed stuff on controller binds (like taunt, call medic, F1 F2 for votes, contracker)Profiteer the tryhard (talk|contribute) 09:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

It really does not take much to enable Xbox One controller support, you just need to enable Xbox Controller support in your Steam settings. As for how it got marked as unsupported, Valve only recently decided to add the new controller tagging system on their storefront and Steam Input is one of new tags. If it were marked, it would tell you explicitly that it is using Steam Input. There's other Valve games that got marked Steam Input and other Valve games got incorrectly marked like Left 4 Dead 1. I wouldn't really rely on that tagging system that they made. PotatoSebs (talk) 09:47, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Still seems like TF2 is clearly not set up for this system, which is more important to me.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 09:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Clearly in what way? Just not having xbox controllers on by default? I mean, if you ask me it's more playable than the old legacy controls. Hell you can even navigate most of the menus with the default Action Sets. Besides having no aim assist, it's still a bit more functional. PotatoSebs (talk) 09:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Though at least let me just finish this article as I can put much more detail than just default binds, and letting me explain each detail on each behavior and setup. PotatoSebs (talk) 10:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Another thing I wanna point out is that there's a dedicated bindings pages for the legacy Xbox 360 and DualShock 3 controls, if those gets to stay here as is. I don't see a reason this one shouldn't PotatoSebs (talk) 10:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Because those are control schemes on entirely different versions of the game, if entire menu elements don't work, then clearly this is not a supported feature. "X page exists so this one is fine too" is not a good argument for keeping a page. This page will likely be merged into the List of default keys one, you can work more on this page but no promise that the information will carry over when it gets merged. It seems like those pages already mention how to get controllers to work, so this page becomes double redundant.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 10:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Alright bet, gonna get this filled up as much as I can. Though getting a controller to just work is really not the point... I really don't care about that. Though tbh if it ends up getting merged, it'd look kinda awkward with all of that keyboard-centric focus there but whatever.— The preceding unsigned comment was added by PotatoSebs (talk) • (contribs) 2024-03-10, 10:32 UTC

We do have some subpar articles about Xbox and PS3 controllers, so I don't see why not. If anything, the PS3 and Xbox pages should be merged with this one, so it could list Xbox, PS3, and Steam Input/Steam Deck controls in the same article.

Also, a feature not being widely used is not a factor. If it's in the game, we should do our best to document it. — Tark 13:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)