Talk:Galleria

What American is not going to call it a Zamboni ...

... even from the famous scene in Rocky.

"An ice resurfacer is often referred to by its genericized trademark, a "Zamboni"."

I was going to change "ice resurfacer" to the very much more common "Zamboni", but it seem the proper thing to do is confirm Trivia that Valve required the voice lines to be redone to avoid Trademark conflict.

M I K 🎄 D O 1 8 Ho Ho Ho ^.🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🎅 (contact)(Help Wanted!) 20:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I've never heard anyone use Zamboni before, I think it should stay as ice resurfacer. Based on the topic name it also seems to be a US-only thing, which we should avoid.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 20:45, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Gallery & posters

I think we should remove some of the posters currently in the Gallery, most of them aren't really notable for anything Trivia-related and it just seems like a bit of a texture dump at the moment. The Gallery is probably takes over 50% of the page at this point.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 13:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Maybe remove all that locate out of the playable area and also don't have a reference? Profiteer（奸商）the tryhard (talk) 13:39, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I say we keep the movie posters with clear real-life equivalents, which are already on display in the gallery, and anything else deemed necessary as referential material (I see we've already made mention of the Eric Smith door elsewhere, for example), but we don't need most of the mall signs or the computer readout texture, and things like that to be displayed on this article in particular, if you ask me. We can move the signs to something like the Companies article, as secondary images for the companies in question. — 06:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, the movie posters are fine, it's mostly the non-movie posters and company signs.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 12:53, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

There's value in the company signs, I just don't think it all has to be shown here. I maintain that we should move them to the Companies article, especially the ones for new businesses featured only in the mall, like Barney's Book Shop, and Crummy's Burgers & Malts; those are new businesses in officially-accepted media now, they should have a column on the companies page, and we can use the signs for existing businesses, like Conquistador Fried Giblets, as alternate logos. — 04:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

It was a lot of images, yes, but not necessarily a texture dump, as we can all see most make confirmed tributes or historical references. There just hasn't been the stolen time for me to deal with all of them yet.

• We also see that within the texture files that Profiteer recovered that a number of images are much higher quality than viewable in game; so, it conforms to our usefulness charter to provide users access to the better forms in some way.
• I had already intended to move a select few to the right side of Trivia to reduce the gallery size a little, but that location would be a better context for certain images.
• Furthermore, thanks to Profiteer's effort, they are all available for use (maybe some uses that present editors have not seen yet) so I can link them where they can be used.

What is to be done? Thoughts to broader solutions should be considered, because large numbers of quality and notable images are not a transient thing. We should expect quantities high quality art textures, tributes and references. I think we can accommodate this movement. I have some suggestions:

1. Generously download art, posters, and signs from Community and new Valve maps, companies or not. If these can have a place in this wiki, a Community map's quality art can have a place closely associated with the map's page.
2. Naturally, that map's image category is a simple enough and well-worn way to collect the images.
3. When there are several signs in the category that can't fit into the Gallery then a hatnote can be added to the direct readers to the image category; e.g.,
   For additional images see Category:Galleria images
4. Following the Community map strategies example, an additional subpage could be made for large galleries, so that the large number of images could be curated (sorted and captioned) without cluttering the main article; e.g.,
   For additional images see Galleria/Images

@ThatHatGuy': I have certain agreement with not adding Community map company signs to Companies; same with not adding Community map signs to Signs. Regardless of any question of Canonicity, with 3-4 events a year each adding 3-7 Community maps each adding 10-30 worthy images, List of Companies and List of Signs will explode. I say keep the Community map images close to the Community Map pages where they clearly belong at a minimum (according to the above suggestions,).

M I K 🎄 D O 1 8 Ho Ho Ho ^.🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🎅 (contact)(Help Wanted!) 04:30, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't see a reason to feature non-notable posters or company signs at all, not here, not on a subpage, not anywhere. If people want a specific sign, they can just open up the map file themselves and look for it. Just like we don't host all weapon sounds and textures on Weapon pages, posters/company signs should only be here if they are notable in any way (e.g. humorous, Trivia-related, etc.).
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 13:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

One: In this specific thread's topic, no argument has been made by me in this thread that non-notable images from Gallery be hosted, because in my opinion, the ones uploaded so far are notable to the map (e.g. humorous, Trivia-related, etc.). But I can agree that in the broader scope I have less concern about less-notable images being loaded to map image categories. "I'd push for more [images in the category] rather than less." ( I would never credit deletion of "unused images" towards a Wikicap vote. )

Two: I understand your respected opinion, but not everyone has the same threshold for level of notability, which is partly why, I think, extractions from the Community maps can be generous, while deletions of even unused images from the wiki should follow our policy of discussion on non-notability. Images of reasonable quality, even if unused on any wiki page, can still be useful in the categories, as I often make use of the categories in article and came research. I can learn things from the game from images someone thought to include, even if it is not used on any page at the moment.

A case of this is Elliphany Electric Trains vs "Latte" ... Bonk Nickeltoon's pet cat (If someone could link the discussion of references to developer family members, please.) Even if the rule is that family relations is no basis for notability, I don't mean to dismiss the pet art, but the Elliphany image as a worthy art contribution to the wiki, if not the game, that feels in place with the art and background of the game.

M I K 🎄 D O 1 8 Ho Ho Ho ^.🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🎅 (contact)(Help Wanted!) 17:10, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Deletion policy dictates that unused images should be deleted, I don't see much notability in company signs when you can load up the map very easily yourself and see them, especially because they are very prominent on this map. Notability for posters/company signs means it has some kind of interesting thing about it, such as a humorous poster (see the asbestos poster and teleporter poster) or a Trivia-related one (see the Carmack Computers poster or the Big Bob's poster). I fail to see how any of the business signs are notable, besides looking pretty.
| s | GrampaSwood (talk) (contribs) 17:24, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

In that case, why even have the Companies page at all? We've listed the maps where they appear. You can load the map up very easily yourself and see them. I fail to see how any of the business signs are notable, besides looking pretty. Not all of them on there are from Valve maps, either. — 08:18, 31 December 2023 (UTC)